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Tuesday, August 23rd, 2005
9:54 am
In response to all those Anti-Vector/Cutco posts
If Vector is such a horrific company and blah blah blah like you people continue to post, why are so many of us still working there? How do you explain the 5 digit paycheck one of the reps in the office I work at received last week (I saw it)? Can you name any other job out there that an unexperienced college student could have where (s)he makes his/her own schedule and gets paid an insane amount of money and has a blast doing it? I own my own company and I'll still say Vector Marketing is the best company out there to work for. Seriously...there are 1000s of people who work for Vector Marketing that love it, including myself. There are millions of customers that are more than satisfied with their purchases. My family now owns every piece Cutco sells...from the Ultimate 2000 to the Super Shears Holster. We've been buying Cutco since 1970 something! The product is amazing!

To those people who are considering a job with Cutco...

Use your own common sense. Sure, there's been a couple lawsuits against the company. Who cares! It's a quarter billion dollar company! Law suits happen. Obviously there's a percentage of people who just can't cut it....just like every other job. There's bitter people out there...once again, just like every other company has it's bitter past employees. Something happened in Austraila...well good thing we live here in America then cause we have the opportunity to work for Vector Marketing and Cutco.

A 5 digit paycheck (no I'm not counting cents)! Could you just imagine? Good Lord! I guess that's about it. Cutco is a fantastic product and Vector Marketing is a fantastic job!
Sunday, August 21st, 2005
3:15 pm
Anyone from Great Lakes?
Tuesday, July 12th, 2005
12:19 pm
Bueller? Bueller?

ADDENDUM: I started in June and my career sales are around $5500, $1000 every week so far. I'm halfway through my string contest!!!

Current Mood: accomplished
Thursday, June 30th, 2005
12:37 pm
hello? is anyone here???
Wednesday, December 15th, 2004
10:16 am
Thursday, August 26th, 2004
9:12 pm
I've done it. I've finally done it. I've created a Cutco community that's hopefully more stimulating than this one (no offense to the Mod). Check it out!

Saturday, August 21st, 2004
1:55 pm
Oregon Statesman Journal Newspaper Article
Working for Vector Marketing is costly and frustrating, they say

Statesman Journal
August 21, 2004

The help-wanted advertisements are widespread, posted on college campuses throughout the nation.

The ads, for Vector Marketing and Cutco cutlery products, offer great pay and flexible hours — with no experience necessary for college-age youths.

“It sounds like a great job,” Marcus Emry of Multnomah County said minutes after he accepted an offer from Vector to sell Cutco knives.

For some young people, the sales jobs are an opportunity to make money and to succeed. Some report making good money and developing leadership and communication skills.

But for others, working for Vector has become a frustrating — and costly — experience.

Vector, which has more than 300 offices in the United States and Canada, including Salem, Eugene, Portland and Medford, has outraged students nationwide with its recruiting and employment-related practices:

The Complaint Station, a Web site where consumers can post messages with concerns regarding a product or company, has logged more than 2,000 complaints against Vector Marketing and Cutco.

An online group called Students Against Vector Exploitation, or SAVE, has an online petition against the companies with almost 3,000 signatures since it began last year.

Vector has settled several wage claims that were filed at the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries last year, although it did not acknowledge any law violation.

A Marion County court ordered Vector to stop deceptive recruiting practices as a result of a 1994 investigation.

Most of the complaints refer to recruiting ads, long hours of unpaid training, work pressures and ethical concerns within the firm.

Sarah Andrus, a spokeswoman for Vector, said that it is hard to verify the truth of complaints not tested in court and that many of these are “historical records.”

Andrus said Vector operates under “high ethical standards” and that its representatives, which are considered independent contractors, are told all about the job and the work conditions during the interview process.

But some Oregon students who have worked for the company disagree.

“They make the job sound really good,” said Justin Stover from Eugene, who worked for Vector for about two months last year.

“But the truth is that it is hard pressure, time consuming and you don’t get nearly what they say you’ll make when you first start the job,” he said.

It was a tough learning experience for Stover.

That often is the case for young people looking for their first jobs, said Jane Guajardo, a job specialist at Chemeketa Community College.

“Some of the students that come in here to look for a job don’t have any work experience besides, maybe, some volunteer work,” she said.

“So any of these ads highlighting flexible hours and good pay become more appealing to those who are young, naive and inexperienced because they are not used to do the research and ask questions that adults would,” she said.

The job and its critics

People who accept positions with Vector Marketing attend three half-days of unpaid training, during which they are taught how to make sales presentations.

They are instructed to make a list of friends and relatives who are 25 or older and have full-time jobs so that they can set up their initial appointments and start a reference list.

Time spent to make telephone calls and travel expenses are not reimbursed, according to Vector.

Former representatives also said they were required to buy sets of cutlery products for $145 to use in their sales presentations.

After going through this process, Stover said he learned that selling sets of knives costing from $200 to $2,000 wasn’t as easy as he thought it would be.

He worked about five to six hours per day, and his weekly paycheck was about $100, he said.

Stover said the money wasn’t worth the pressure he felt.

“I had to call them every day at 8 o’clock in the morning to tell them how many appointments I had scheduled for that day,” he said. “If I said, ‘None,’ my manager would say, ‘All right, get two appointments and call me back.’”

Stover also said he attended mandatory meetings and training, although he was classified as an independent contractor.

When he decided to quit, Stover said he was told to wait for his final paycheck to be sent in the mail.

“My paycheck never came,” Stover said. “I even called their headquarters in New York, and they said it would be taken care of, but it wasn’t.”

After filing a wage claim at the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries, Stover said he received the check about two weeks later.

The Oregon Attorney General’s Office has handled several other complaints and wage claims against Vector Marketing filed within the past two years.

Vector’s response

Sarah Andrus of Vector Marketing said that she was not aware of the wage claims and said that “matters brought to the attention of the company are solved immediately.”

Andrus also said that independent contractors are not required to do things.

“They are asked to call to keep the office informed, and their managers probably let them know when it’s the best time to call,” Andrus said. “But we have people who don’t even call at all.”

Vector says that the $145 fee for the display knives is charged as a deposit — although sales taxes are included in states where such taxes apply — in case representatives don’t return the knives when they leave the job.

Some Vector offices also are in the process of eliminating the deposit charges, said Jeremy Bell, district manager for Vector Marketing in Salem.

As of last month, his office stopped charging the fees, and Bell said he expects all other Vector offices to do the same by next month.

An insider’s view

Emily Puterbaugh of Salem, who worked for Vector in Tacoma, Wash., during two summers — as a representative and later as an assistant manager — said she has mixed feelings about her experiences with the company.

She said she enjoyed working for Vector and learned skills that she uses in her sales job today. During her first summer as a representative, she said she earned about $10,000 — more than what she earned as a manager the next summer.

However, Puterbaugh said she decided to quit when she found herself working more than 90 hours per week in her management position and when she started to see “a lot of wrong things” at Vector.

Puterbaugh, 21, said that when she answered inquiry calls about the job, she was given a script to read, which provided little information about the job, emphasizing that it didn’t involve door-to-door sales or telemarketing.

If people insisted on more details, she said she was instructed to reply that she didn’t know any further information and urge callers to schedule an interview.

“It is a high-pressure job like any other sales job, but the thing with Vector is that they make it sound more flexible and easy than it actually is.”

Puterbaugh, a recent Willamette University graduate, said she maintained a 4.0 grade-point average while working for Vector because of the time-management skills she gained at the company.

Still, Puterbaugh said Vector should change its practices.

“It all comes back to the way they present things,” she said. “If they made it sound as good as it is, people wouldn’t get upset, but they make it sound better than it is, so people get upset.”

About the law

Vector Marketing and Cutco have been sued several times — by the Arizona attorney general in 1990 and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission in 1999. In 1994, a court in Wisconsin ordered Vector to not deceive recruits.

Andrus said that past lawsuits “are historical records, and they don’t represent the Vector of today.”

Nevertheless, Vector still is operating under a 1994 Marion County court order in which the company agreed to be “truthful in representations made to induce persons to sell Vector’s products.”

That includes telling people “exactly what the job is about before they get there,” said Jan Margosian, who has been a spokeswoman for the Oregon Attorney General’s Office for more than 20 years and is familiar with the complaints against Vector.

Vector officials insist that they are obeying the law despite complaints from former employees.

Margosian said the state stands ready to act if such complaints are substantiated.

“If they are breaking that agreement, not only they are violating the law, but they’re violating an agreement with the court,” Margosian said. “So people need to speak up and let us know about it.”

Andrus said Vector is changing its recruiting practices to reveal more information about the job.

“We are very proud of our progress with those changes, and we feel confident that we’ve been moving in the right direction,” she said.


Current Mood: pleased
Thursday, August 19th, 2004
2:03 pm
Hey guys! I'm a Sales Rep ($55 away from hitting my 20% promotion) in the Bellevue Office up here in the Northwest division. I love this job, plain and simple. It's so... easy!

Anyway... I'm interested in becoming a mod for this community, as it seems like there is not one. Any clue on how I can become one?

Current Mood: content
Monday, July 5th, 2004
10:50 pm
Is there a moderator for this community?
Sunday, July 4th, 2004
11:58 pm
Hey there, I'm new. Just found this page so I'm gonna give it a try.
I'm a Cutco Sales Rep, about 4 weeks now.

WoundedSpider, I'll do the best I can to explain the Cutco experience.

You have training, about 3 days. You learn more about knives than you ever thought that there was to them. They teach you how to sell the knives. They are very expensive, but worth every cent in my opinion. Advanced training teaches you a little more.
Cutco is a company, and it makes money. That's what companies do.
A lot of reps don't make it because they quit.
You will make money if you're not afraid to work. It gives you LOTS of flexiblity, but it is a little hard in the beginning, getting started. If you decide to do well, you will.

Anyhow, this is just my opinion. I'm not terribly guilible and I know that 10% or 15% is not much at all. But I understand why they have it that way. Anyhow, so that's that.
Saturday, July 3rd, 2004
11:09 am

okay, so i got a letter in the mail the other day wanting me to schedule an interview @ vector. i have no work experience, so i'm really tempted so i can have something to put on my resume in the future. however, i'm not much of a people person. i getting highly stressed very easily when placed in uncomfortable/unfamiliar situations. so i want as much information as possible before deciding to go to an interview. i don't see their prices on cutco.com - if their products cost too much there's no way i can sell them around where i live. please tell me what i should expect. i need to know everything - good and bad.

Current Mood: anxious

Wednesday, June 2nd, 2004
8:18 pm
Hey, I know I posted this earlier, but i also have a cutco/vector community. I promise it will be closely monitored. I do not know how to make anonymous comments blocked though, but i will delete any that i find on a daily basis. This is a community to talk about things, not to shout high school insults to eachother. You can say your feelings, but please don't be immature. My community is Cutco_Ultimate join now, and i will start monitoring it tonight.

Wednesday, May 26th, 2004
8:27 am
Re: Henckels Ad Misleading
BTW: sorry, I didn't mean to sound like such a smartass in that reply. You do have some very valid points, antiscam... but this particular one wasn't.
8:21 am
Re: Henckels Ad Misleading

The Henckels set you linked to includes the sharpening steel and wood block as two of their "18" piece set. The Homemaker+8 is 8 knives, 2 culinary forks, and 8 table knives, PLUS the wood block, PLUS a cutting board, PLUS a sharpener, and then the first call special above that (which, if taking the super shears and kitchen tool set in block, and counting the way the henckles link does, would be 28 pieces - that's 5 more pieces than the 23 piece henckel's set [ 21.7% more pieces ]), at $840 which is 46.2% less cost.

You are also comparing "sale" prices of Henckel's to the retail price of Cutco. Try the sale price of Cutco, it can be quite the bargain. Ask any FSM.

Forgot to mention that an Ultimate Set is 31 pieces of cutlery alone, not to mention the block, cutting board, and first call special?

let's not forget the forever guarantee, as well...
Monday, May 24th, 2004
3:24 pm
New Henckels Ad is Misleading
Anybody else find it odd that Vector decided to compare the price of a 23 pc set of Henckels Professional Series knives to their 18 pc Cutco Homemaker 8 Set at $1,562.00, and $999.95 on sale when Henckels makes an 18 pc Professional Series Set as well selling at $848.00 retail and $479.99 on sale:
(check around, no one sells it at retail price and you won't find it going for over $500 anywhere)

Heck, even a 20 pc set of Henckels Professional Series goes for $599.99 on sale:
Remember the 18 pc Cutco Homemaker +8 set is now selling at $840!

It's pretty obvious Vector looked around and came to the simple conclusion that Henckels is cheaper, so they went with an ad for a set that has 5 more pieces (that's 27% more pieces) than their Homemaker +8. A better comparison to the Henckels 23 pc set is the Cutco Ultimate set, but that's $1600

You didn't expect Vector to actually not mislead their customers or recruits, did you?
Saturday, May 22nd, 2004
2:21 am
I got a receptionist job at Vector. It will be interesting after being a sales rep in the same office in orland park, Illinois. It will be interesting
Tuesday, May 18th, 2004
4:01 pm
Alright, I have a question.....Who is in favor of Vector/Cutco, and Who is against Vector/Cutco, or maybe you are in the middle. Please leave your comments and i will make a poll out of this. Please don't post without a name.

Current Mood: crazy
Monday, May 17th, 2004
7:07 pm
Settlement With Australia Over Fraud

Thought I'd point you all to a document over on the Australian Consumer and Competition Commission that outlines the legal settlement where they admitted to fraud and received various penalties for it:

They've had similar settlements with two US states before this.  They no longer operate out of Australia.

scam (skm) Slang n.

A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.

tr.v. scammed, scam·ming, scams

To defraud; swindle.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition

5:45 pm
I just wanted that long entry behind a cut. I don't care about your views one way or another about Cutco. I was not trying to make a personal statement about cutco. You all take this stuff so personally. I mean, seriously, what did Vector do to hurt anyone? Did they steal your money? No. You got knives out of it in the least. I don't think that Cutco's selling skills are similar to girl scouts either. They are ruthless. They want us college kids to sell some fucking knives and they are willing to tell us and make us believe anything to make sure that their sales are up. And they do brainwash us in a lot of ways. But so do most Fortune 500 companies with their employees. It is all a matter of selling, so get used to the real world. Don't cover yourself, just saying it's a scam because you are scared of what life is really like. If you understand cutco, and go into it with a mature understanding, you can make money and have fun. It's just like summer camp for college kids. I went to parties with my asst. managers. Unless you are just going to go in there and act like an asshole, you can have a shit load of fun.

Thank you.
Saturday, May 15th, 2004
5:57 pm
Key Points From the "Just the Facts" pamphlet

This one was purpetuated by "lettle Mel" or "Behemian Babe" on this very community:
"10. Is it true that doctors pay between $30 - $40 per inch for this type of steel in surgical instruments and tools?
This is simply not true and not a valid comparison to make. Steel is never sold by the inch - it is sold by dollars per pound. Surgical instruments and tools are also not sold by length. This erroneously implies that steel alone in a CUTCO 9 ¾" Carving Knife would cost $292 - $390. If this were true we would be losing money on the sale of each CUTCO knife. Using invalid comparisons could impact the credibility of the product and sales representative."

The rivots are not made of silver and not used in aircraft frames,
tooth fillings, fighter jets, NASA space shuttles. They call it
nickle-silver because of a silver color:

"1. What are the benefits of nickel silver? What other applications
does it have?
Three nickel silver rivets are used to securely attach the
thermoresin handles to the blade. The specific type of nickel silver
used by CUTCO is called "Type 65-18," "18% nickel silver,"
or "German silver." It is white in color and is a member of the
bronze family. It is an excellent material to use because of its
attractive color, its ability to resist corrosion or tarnishing
under adverse conditions normally found in the kitchen and its
excellent ability to be formed. It is the perfect choice for
fasteners requiring strength and lasting beauty. The chemical
composition of nickel silver is:
65% Copper
17% Tin
18% Nickel
Silver is not found in nickel silver rivets. The name nickel silver
refers to the color of the rivets. Nickel silver is also the base
material used for most silver-plated ware. It is extensively used
for architectural purposes where beauty and corrosion resistance are
important. It is not the same material used in tooth fillings or in
aircrafts in the space shuttle. The material found in tooth fillings
is a composite of silver and other metals."

Thermoresin is just plain injection molded plastic:
"1. What is thermoresin?
Thermoresin is a technical term for a variety of thermoplastic
resins. Just as the term "metal" includes all metals, e.g., gold,
silver, lead, brass and zinc, the term "thermoresin" includes a wide
variety of materials with different properties for different needs."

There is no patent on the Double-D edge:
"1. Does CUTCO have a patent on the Double-D® edge? The CUTCO Double-
D edge is not patented, but the name is a registered trademark of
CUTCO Cutlery. When the Double-D design was created other types of
recessed edges were available."
Recessed is their term for serrated.

The handles are no longer patented:
"5. Is the Universal Wedge-Lock™ handle patented? Thomas Lamb
designed CUTCO's first handle, the Lamb Handle, which was patented
in 1953. That patent has expired. In 1972 Thomas Lamb improved his
original design, creating the "Universal Wedge-Lock Handle," which
is the handle on current CUTCO products. The Universal Wedge-Lock
Handle was also patented, and that patent expired in 1988. There is
no current patent in effect."

Other knife companies could use this type of handle on their knives
but choose not to.

"There are several reasons why CUTCO is not at a significant risk of
being copied. The first is the financial investment in tooling and
development. The second reason is in order to properly understand
its attributes and the marketable advantage of the product, the Lamb
handle needs to be demonstrated. The combination of a great knife
with many demonstrable attributes and the unique opportunity we have
to demonstrate our products through the Vector sales presentation
gives CUTCO a comfortable level of protection from imitation."
This also answers the question of whether Cutco could be sold in
retail stores, obviously not if the Lamb handle needs to be

Cutco did not spend 1 million dollars in the development of their
handle, nor did they pay Thomas Lamb a million to develop it:

"7. Was Thomas Lamb paid $1 million dollars to develop the Lamb
handle design for Cutco?
Cutco did not pay Thomas Lamb $1 million for the Lamb handle design.
He had a royalty agreement with Cutco that lasted until the patent
expired. Cutco paid Tom Lamb a royalty on every knife sold."
Also, Thomas Lamb was not a doctor as some have claimed.

The list of 38 states banning wooden handles in restaurants is bogus:
"8. Is there a list of the 38 states where wood handles are banned
in restaurants?
We are not aware of such a list existing. Each state has its own
health or sanitation codes that restaurants have to follow. You
would have to check each state's restaurant sanitation code in order
to determine if wood handles are banned from restaurants in a
particular state. For example, we checked North Carolina's code and
found that wood handles are not banned in restaurants, but specifies
that the wood handles need to be tight with no cracks for bacteria
to get into."

Since Cutco is mass produced and much of it is automated, they don't
want to disclose how long it actually takes to make a knife:

"1. How long does it take to make a CUTCO knife?
The key operations necessary to produce and prepare a knife for
shipment are tied to specific equipment in the plant, thus a complex
scheduling process is required. As a result of the number of
individual operations and scheduling process, the amount of actual
time to make a knife will vary significantly. Therefore, the
important part of the CUTCO production story is the number of
operations and the special skills of the people and equipment that
manufacture, not the length of time to make it."

But they will say how many steps it takes:
"2. How many production steps are involved in making a CUTCO knife?
There are approximately 25 operations required to produce and
prepare a CUTCO knife for
Note that many of these steps are automated and done by machine, and
they are including packaging into the steps. Every Wusthof knife is
hand-forged in 38 manufacturing steps by skilled craftsmen in
Solingen, Germany.

The #1 selling cutlery in the US claim isn't exactly what I thought
it was. I emphasised important parts in bold:

"2. Is Cutco the #1 selling cutlery in the United States?
Cutco is the number one selling PREMIUM brand of cutlery
MANUFACTURED AND sold in the U.S. The number of manufacturers in the high quality cutlery market IS MUCH SMALLER than those making low-end products. Major competitors of high quality cutlery are
Henckel's, Wusthof, Global and Sabatier, ALL OF WHICH ARE IMPORTED.
Chicago Cutlery was the last major kitchen cutlery producer left in
the United States other than Cutco. Chicago Cutlery closed its
manufacturing operations in the fall of 2001 and now imports all its

Some more claims debunked by SAVE:

A couple reps have in the past said the Cutco handles are on display at the Smithsonian. I emailed the Smithsonian staff and found out in 1976 there was an exhibit on handles, mostly hammer handles. They did not seem to know if any of Lamb's handle designs were on display since it was so long ago. They do have a Domestic/Social Life's Blevins Knife Collection,
neither Cutco nor any other lamb cutlery is featured there. In the
end the pretty much spelled it out: "We have no such knives, nor is
there a display here." They've contacted Cutco about this claim and
Cutco is supposedly sending them letters and a deed of gift, it
seems they were pretty flabbergasted Cutco salespeople would make
this claim. They obviously don't know very much about Vector.

The Hagley Museum in Delaware founded by DuPont and located on
DuPont's old powderworks location was at one point going to have a
Thomas Lamb exhibit (he also designed textiles for DuPont) but it
was cancelled. They may still have one in the distant future. What
I found very interesting is that Lamb also designed handles for Wear
Ever Cookware (who's success drove Wear Ever's parent company Alcoa
to create Alcas and Cutco then later they broke of from Alcoa).
This was a long, long time ago and Wear Ever cookware has since
dumped Lamb's handles for the handles you see today.

Did Vector Marketing get the AFL-CIO Labor Management award?
No. Vector is claiming they did in job advertisements though:

The cutco manufacturing plant did in 2002 though, however this is a
seperate corporate entity and a totally different job. The AFL is
short for America's Federation of Labor Unions, it is an
organization for unions and would not give awards to a company like
Vector who's workers are neither unionized nor have the right to
unionize (since they're independent contractors and lose employee
rights.) Cutco's steelworkers are unionized however. More info on
AFL-CIO's awarding the Cutco plant the labor management award can be
found here:
and more info on the AFL-CIO can be found here:
It is sad to see Vector trying to steal the credit for the factory
workers well earned awards, this kind of shadiness is absolutely
despicable. Anybody who reads such a advertisement and actually
knows who the AFL is would automatically be misled to believe Vector
is offering a unionized job when it is not.

Is greater resistance to melting a feature of Cutco's Thermoresin
injection molded plastic?

Straight from Cutco's "Just the Facts pamphlet":
"3. What are the technical benefits of CUTCO's thermoresin handles
over the handles of other manufacturers?
The vast majority of other cutlery manufacturers construct their
handles from polypropylene plastic. The thermoresin used for CUTCO
handles is stronger and stiffer, more resistant to impact and can
withstand higher temperatures than polypropylene. Polypropylene
cannot be sanded and polished to a high luster. As a polypropylene
handle wears, it cannot be refurbished.
4. What is the highest temperature that CUTCO's thermoresin can
withstand before melting?
The thermoresin used in CUTCO handles can withstand temperatures
between 300° - 350° before it starts melting."

Now, Cutco won't tell us what kind of mystery plastic they are using
(which leads me to believe they are hiding something) but with this
information I can easily show they are lying. They say their
plastic withstands higher temperatures than polypropylene and say
their plastic has a melting point of around 300°- 350° and we can
assume they're using Fahrenhiet instead of Celcius to bolster the
number higher.

According to: http://www.modifiedpolymer.com/polypropylene.html
Polypropylene has a melting point of 330° F
According to: http://www.sdplastics.com/polyprosheet.html
Their polypropylene has a melting point of 327° F
According to: http://www.knoxandschneider.com/ProductDetail.asp?ProdID=196
Polypropylene sheet foam has a melting point of 320° F
According to: http://www.neropes.com/techdata/3-strand_polypropylene.htm
Polypropylene rope has a melting point of 320° F
This is the same melting point as Cutco's mystery plastic
thermoresin, without more details I cannot verify or debunk any of
Cutco's other claims on their plastic. This only goes to show that
even when Vector tries to tell the truth, they lie.

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